"See this is where we get to my own philosophy perhaps not being completely in touch with the received wisdom. I would like to think that the school system is based on education, but at heart I think it's more of a socialization process. "

"I think it's really clear that there's a disconnect between what we do in school and what the kids experience in life, and if they're going to take us seriously we have to make it more real for them and it has to have some application outside our doors."